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christianityThere are many people that believe all you have to do is say a sinner's prayer and you're in. However the Bible teaches differently. Repentance is a beautiful gift. We would not be able to stand before God washed without that ability. However, true salvation is truly turning away from your sin. If you are living a sinful lifestyle and using grace as excuse then you're wrong because the Bible says to be washed by the renewing and regeneration of the Holy Ghost. I have heard some say you can have sin in your life and still go to Heaven but this is not Biblical. I am sure most who believe this are sincere but the Word says no sin shall enter in. I am not saying that the Cross hasn't removed both our past and future sins. Surely He has! However the Word says to pick up your cross and follow Him. Paul said "I die daily." Repentance is to be taken advantage of daily! The Bible has always required a change in a believer's life.
After repentance, we should be willing to be baptized in Jesus' Name and not the titles. Most of Modern Christianity teaches it is not essential but it is! Jesus Himself told us to go ye therefore & teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost! As Christians, we recognize the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Jesus. (Read Isaiah 9:6, Col. 3:17 and John 14:8-9). The same Paul that wrote whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved also stated baptism is a circumcision made without hands (see Col. 2). The Word also states he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. It is not just a sign, it is to complete remission your sins. Yes, Paul wrote Romans 10:13 but he wrote to the church in Romans. He wrote this to a church who had already received a salvation experience. Please don't turn me off! Bear with me. Please! I understand people say you don't have to do all that. I know that the Bible says you for by grace are ye saved and not through works but remember the same book also says faith without works is dead. James said if you believe Jesus is God, thou doest well but even the devils believe that. We must find out what the Word says and be willing to be obedient!
In the house of Cornelius, after they received a gift from God, Peter asked "Should we forbid any man water that these should not be baptized? And straightway, he commanded them to be baptized." That wasn't a suggestion. It was a commandment. Jesus said to go and teach all nations and baptize. That wasn't a suggestion, it was commandment. Is it any coincidence that Jesus Himself was baptized by John? No, He was saying "Follow me." The Bible shows us clearly how to be saved. As a matter of fact, some asked the Peter how to be while they witnessed others speaking in tongues. "Men and brethern, what shall we do?" Acts 2:37 "And Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For this promise is unto you and your children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38 What was that gift? The gift was the Spirit of God moving upon them just as it had on the Apostles! Abraham received a promise that he would bear a nation and God gave that promise to him. Anything God promises in His Word, will be given to us! There are people that teach that speaking in tongues is not for today but the Word says this promise is to as many as the Lord our God shall call! Has the Lord stopped calling people?? Certainly not! I myself as well countless of others have experienced this Biblical phenomenon. It's still for us today. But don't take my word for it, find out for yourself according to God's Word. The Holy Ghost is not just for those that have done good enough or even for just a select few. It's a promise for everyone so we can receive power to be witnesses, to overcome the sin in our lives, to be rewashed and regenerated because we can't make it without God's presence! It is neither mass induced nor self induced as some teach, it the evidence of the power of God working in your life! If it wasn't real then why would God even have it in the Bible?
Okay, I'm going to hit on a few popular misconceptionsabout tongues. Paul was not misinterpeting when he said not all speak in tongues. He meant not all have the gift of prophecy through speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 12 has been used to point out that not everyone has to speak in tongues because of this verse. However, you have to realize what Paul was addressing. Paul was writing to a group of new found believers that didn't know how to have complete order in their church services. Wives were yelling to their husbands, "What does that part mean in the sermon?" when they should have been quiet during the sermon. People were even spontaneously speaking in tongues loudly while a preacher was speaking. Nothing wrong with speaking in tongues it's just there is a time to do it. Also, while someone was trying to prophecy, no one would know to be quiet! Historical evidence points out people were so focused on tongues that couldn't conduct church! It wasn't very orderly. The only way I can describe to you about the order of church services is explain what happens sometimes in my church.
In my church's services, there have been times where the Spirit has been moving so beautifully that God wants to speak a word to the church after a sermon is preached. The Spirit will move on a person or two and they will speak in tongues. If there are two or three people, they will speak in tongues one at a time while the whole congregation is silent. After that, God will gently send the interpretation of the message to another person. God's message will be given to the church in that fashion. Imagine if 1 Corinthians 12 had not been written! A church service like this would be confusing if we did not have the proper order laid out by God. This passage is also saying that not everyone has the gift of giving tongues for interpretation. Paul was addressing how church should occur in 1 Corinthians 12. He cleared up the confusion. Yes, Paul asked do all speak in tongues? But in the next few strokes of the pen he said I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all. He then went on to write, Forbid not to speak with tongues.
It helps to note is Paul's conversion. He was sent to Ananias after being on the road to Damascus. There, Ananias healed his blindness and baptized him in Jesus' name. Does it say he ever spoke in tongues? No, not in that passage of Scripture. However didn't Paul write that he thanked God that he spoke in tongues? It wasn't added because eventually he did. When people tell you that the Roman jailer or man in the chariot did not speak with tongues, it is important to remember the foundation of how the Apostles were saved. Remember Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are records of Jesus' ministry and Acts is the book that shows us how the church started! The rest of NT books are letters to those churches. Remember too that the disciples wrote that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jews then to the Gentiles. This was the salvation experience of the early church! If you write a book, you shouldn't add the same thing over and over. It would be too redundant! They didn't add the speaking in tongues part all the time because they didn't have to. The disciples knew they would receive it. If the writers knew the foundation of salvation from the beginning of Acts, the authors didn't need to repeat how it happened over and over again. Make sense?
The salvation experience consists of:
1. Sincere repentance
2. Baptism in Jesus' Name
3. Receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost through the evidence of speaking in other tongues.
Why the Holy Ghost part? Well in Acts 10, the Bible says that Cornelius was a devout man of God and his prayers came as a memorial before God. However, God had something more for Him. God sent an angel to Cornelius to tell him to wait for Peter. Peter came and the Holy Ghost fell on them. How did he know the Holy Ghost fell on them? Because Acts 10 states
" 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God."
What does it say? They heard them speak with tongues. 0After that, Peter commanded them to be baptized. The Lord saved Cornelius and his house because he was faithful and waited upon God. In Acts 19, Paul asked a group of John's baptism if they have received the Holy Ghost since they believed. They answered probably something like what you have said. "I haven't really heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." It says they gladly heard the Word and was baptized. Then Paul laid his hands on them and they received same experience the disciples experienced in Acts 2! This is the salvation experience of the early church! Why is it that can't we believe this same Jesus can do for us what He did for them? If you're a believer then you have a few promises if you're faithful!
Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Let me close with this question: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed and accepted the Lord as your Savior? If you haven't my friend, I promise there's more God has for you. It's a beautiful experience. Just prayerfully consider this post. I know what I have written is controversial but it's not about what most religion teaches, it's about what the Bible teaches Again, it's about what the Bible teaches. If it's in there, don't doubt God's promises for you just because someone has told you you can't have it today. He said on the day you seek Him with your whole heart then on that day, you will find Him. As we all know, God never disappoints. He is always faithful.
After repentance, we should be willing to be baptized in Jesus' Name and not the titles. Most of Modern Christianity teaches it is not essential but it is! Jesus Himself told us to go ye therefore & teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost! As Christians, we recognize the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Jesus. (Read Isaiah 9:6, Col. 3:17 and John 14:8-9). The same Paul that wrote whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved also stated baptism is a circumcision made without hands (see Col. 2). The Word also states he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. It is not just a sign, it is to complete remission your sins. Yes, Paul wrote Romans 10:13 but he wrote to the church in Romans. He wrote this to a church who had already received a salvation experience. Please don't turn me off! Bear with me. Please! I understand people say you don't have to do all that. I know that the Bible says you for by grace are ye saved and not through works but remember the same book also says faith without works is dead. James said if you believe Jesus is God, thou doest well but even the devils believe that. We must find out what the Word says and be willing to be obedient!
In the house of Cornelius, after they received a gift from God, Peter asked "Should we forbid any man water that these should not be baptized? And straightway, he commanded them to be baptized." That wasn't a suggestion. It was a commandment. Jesus said to go and teach all nations and baptize. That wasn't a suggestion, it was commandment. Is it any coincidence that Jesus Himself was baptized by John? No, He was saying "Follow me." The Bible shows us clearly how to be saved. As a matter of fact, some asked the Peter how to be while they witnessed others speaking in tongues. "Men and brethern, what shall we do?" Acts 2:37 "And Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For this promise is unto you and your children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:38 What was that gift? The gift was the Spirit of God moving upon them just as it had on the Apostles! Abraham received a promise that he would bear a nation and God gave that promise to him. Anything God promises in His Word, will be given to us! There are people that teach that speaking in tongues is not for today but the Word says this promise is to as many as the Lord our God shall call! Has the Lord stopped calling people?? Certainly not! I myself as well countless of others have experienced this Biblical phenomenon. It's still for us today. But don't take my word for it, find out for yourself according to God's Word. The Holy Ghost is not just for those that have done good enough or even for just a select few. It's a promise for everyone so we can receive power to be witnesses, to overcome the sin in our lives, to be rewashed and regenerated because we can't make it without God's presence! It is neither mass induced nor self induced as some teach, it the evidence of the power of God working in your life! If it wasn't real then why would God even have it in the Bible?
Okay, I'm going to hit on a few popular misconceptionsabout tongues. Paul was not misinterpeting when he said not all speak in tongues. He meant not all have the gift of prophecy through speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 12 has been used to point out that not everyone has to speak in tongues because of this verse. However, you have to realize what Paul was addressing. Paul was writing to a group of new found believers that didn't know how to have complete order in their church services. Wives were yelling to their husbands, "What does that part mean in the sermon?" when they should have been quiet during the sermon. People were even spontaneously speaking in tongues loudly while a preacher was speaking. Nothing wrong with speaking in tongues it's just there is a time to do it. Also, while someone was trying to prophecy, no one would know to be quiet! Historical evidence points out people were so focused on tongues that couldn't conduct church! It wasn't very orderly. The only way I can describe to you about the order of church services is explain what happens sometimes in my church.
In my church's services, there have been times where the Spirit has been moving so beautifully that God wants to speak a word to the church after a sermon is preached. The Spirit will move on a person or two and they will speak in tongues. If there are two or three people, they will speak in tongues one at a time while the whole congregation is silent. After that, God will gently send the interpretation of the message to another person. God's message will be given to the church in that fashion. Imagine if 1 Corinthians 12 had not been written! A church service like this would be confusing if we did not have the proper order laid out by God. This passage is also saying that not everyone has the gift of giving tongues for interpretation. Paul was addressing how church should occur in 1 Corinthians 12. He cleared up the confusion. Yes, Paul asked do all speak in tongues? But in the next few strokes of the pen he said I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all. He then went on to write, Forbid not to speak with tongues.
It helps to note is Paul's conversion. He was sent to Ananias after being on the road to Damascus. There, Ananias healed his blindness and baptized him in Jesus' name. Does it say he ever spoke in tongues? No, not in that passage of Scripture. However didn't Paul write that he thanked God that he spoke in tongues? It wasn't added because eventually he did. When people tell you that the Roman jailer or man in the chariot did not speak with tongues, it is important to remember the foundation of how the Apostles were saved. Remember Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are records of Jesus' ministry and Acts is the book that shows us how the church started! The rest of NT books are letters to those churches. Remember too that the disciples wrote that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Jews then to the Gentiles. This was the salvation experience of the early church! If you write a book, you shouldn't add the same thing over and over. It would be too redundant! They didn't add the speaking in tongues part all the time because they didn't have to. The disciples knew they would receive it. If the writers knew the foundation of salvation from the beginning of Acts, the authors didn't need to repeat how it happened over and over again. Make sense?
The salvation experience consists of:
1. Sincere repentance
2. Baptism in Jesus' Name
3. Receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost through the evidence of speaking in other tongues.
Why the Holy Ghost part? Well in Acts 10, the Bible says that Cornelius was a devout man of God and his prayers came as a memorial before God. However, God had something more for Him. God sent an angel to Cornelius to tell him to wait for Peter. Peter came and the Holy Ghost fell on them. How did he know the Holy Ghost fell on them? Because Acts 10 states
" 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God."
What does it say? They heard them speak with tongues. 0After that, Peter commanded them to be baptized. The Lord saved Cornelius and his house because he was faithful and waited upon God. In Acts 19, Paul asked a group of John's baptism if they have received the Holy Ghost since they believed. They answered probably something like what you have said. "I haven't really heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." It says they gladly heard the Word and was baptized. Then Paul laid his hands on them and they received same experience the disciples experienced in Acts 2! This is the salvation experience of the early church! Why is it that can't we believe this same Jesus can do for us what He did for them? If you're a believer then you have a few promises if you're faithful!
Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Let me close with this question: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed and accepted the Lord as your Savior? If you haven't my friend, I promise there's more God has for you. It's a beautiful experience. Just prayerfully consider this post. I know what I have written is controversial but it's not about what most religion teaches, it's about what the Bible teaches Again, it's about what the Bible teaches. If it's in there, don't doubt God's promises for you just because someone has told you you can't have it today. He said on the day you seek Him with your whole heart then on that day, you will find Him. As we all know, God never disappoints. He is always faithful.
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Date: 2012-11-17 01:07 pm (UTC)You don't have to agree with everyone. Let someone else express their views and don't be hostile at them. You don't agree with her interpretation of the Bible? That's fine. Scroll past. She has the right to be different.
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Date: 2012-11-17 11:43 pm (UTC)*Edited for clarity--I think Benedict Cumberbatch would make an amazing Master for Matt Smith's Doctor. They're so similar in their weirdness! Like John Simm was perfect for David Tennant.
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Date: 2012-11-17 01:33 pm (UTC)Number two, I am new to this website so I didn't know to use the DW cut. I will attempt to change this.
Number 3, you are correct in the fact not everyone agrees however, I wanted to bring the Word of God. We can all choose to accept or reject. If you disagree, there is always a comment section. We can debate in a respectful manner. Please use Biblical verses to back your views.
Number 4, I do not believe you spoke in love by using a curse word. Peter cursed when he betrayed our Lord. Jesus never did not ever will use cursing in His ministry.
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Date: 2012-11-17 04:13 pm (UTC)Some people are given the gift of tongues - but remember that Paul instructed those who'd been given that gift not to use it in public unless there were someone there with the gift of interpreting tongues, so that unbelievers didn't hear Christians talking what sounded like nonsense. Everyone is given some gift for the benefit of their community - Alice's might be teaching, Bethany's might be prophecy, Camilla's might be to live a life so obviously full of love, joy, peace, patience, &c. that it makes people stop and say, wait, I want what she has.
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Date: 2012-11-17 04:46 pm (UTC)I completely understand where you're coming from but the Word says that this promise is for everyone and not just some. (See Peter's words in Acts 2).
In 1 Cor. 12, Paul was referring to gift of prophecy. And I certainly agree that there is such a thing as a gift of tongues. As I stated in my post, sometimes in my church services, one or more will speak in tongues to the congregation while the church is silent. What those two or more has is the gift of giving tongues for interpretation.
After they speak in tongues to the congregation, God will the give the interpretation in English to a person who has the gift of interpretation. Whether it be to the preacher or a saint. When Paul wrote that someone should be available to interepret, this is what he was refering to.
Not everyone has this gift of giving tongues for interpretation but everyone CAN and should eventually receive the gift of Holy Spirit through the evidence of speaking in tongues. This is how the Apostles, Mary the Mother of Jesus and the early church received salvation! (When you read Acts 1, you will find Mary was in the Upper Room where the Holy Ghost was poured out. Acts 2 shows what happened to the people that stayed thee waiting for a Promise.)
The Word shows us that are three types of tongues. One is for edifying the whole church body and one for edifying ourselves and one for unbelievers to hear. Remember this is Biblical because the Bible says there are diverse kinds of tongues.
Three types of tongues:
1. There is an unknown tongue unto God (I Corinthians 14:2).
This type of tongue edifies you (I Corinthians 14:4; Jude 20), assists you in prayer (Romans 8:26-27), stirs up the prophetic ministry (I Corinthians 14:5), refreshes your soul (Isaiah 28:11-12), gives victory over the devil (Ephesians 6:18), and helps you worship in the Spirit (I Corinthians 14:14-15; Hebrews 2:12).
When you join yourself in the Spirit, it breaks the yoke of bondage (Acts 16:25); it brings you into the presence of God (Psalm 22:3); and it aids you in intercession (Romans 8:26).
2. A known tongue that is a sign to unbelievers.
(I Corinthians 14:2; Acts 2:6).
*NOTE: For instance, I have heard of someone that was praying in the Spirit and a Chinese man walked by and heard her. He later told her she was speaking in pure Chinese and telling him about the wonders of God. The lady did not even know Chinese! It was the Spirit of God speaking a language that she did not know so he could touch a foreigner.
3. A tongue that is understood through interpretation and edifies the church (I Corinthians 14:15).
We don't always know what to pray for ourselves so the Spirit prays for us. See Romans 8:26
Certainly everyone has different gifts. I am not saying people don't! However, the gift of the Holy Ghost is something every believer should strive to receive. It is a sign that SHALL follow those that trust in Him and believe His Word.
It didn't say some believers, it said it is to them which believe. Which is ALL believers.
Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I certainly agree with you about speaking in tongues in public! I don't think people should be walking around in public speaking in tongues unless God directs you. It would just make you look very weird and it would freak people out. Not to mention, you would just scare everybody. Plus, like in Acts, people would just think you're drunk. The only time I believe you can speak in tongues in public is if you are in an emergency situation and you pray for God's healing in that situation. I have heard of situations like this and God moved on their behalf.
So I do agree with you Cheyinka. I believe most of the time, speaking in tongues should only be used in privacy, if you are praying for someone that asks for it or in a church service.
Sources: 1. The Holy Bible
2. http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/gifts/diverse-tongues.htm
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